the republican, and the funding the koch brothers steer funding to the grover norquist group. when he comes to that conclusion as well as the senators and representatives who are saying they would consider tax increase, i think you could be seeing a change. however, there is this question of how much of this is just posturing for negotiations and posturing to appear reasonable and appear to listened to what democrats think is the mandate, the voice of the voters. >> eliot: i remember that interview you did with the koch brothers, it was nays fascinating. i thought, aha there is light at the end of the tunnel, but here is grover norquist with what the republicans are for and the ambiguity may be seeing change. ken vogel for politico, thank you for coming on the show.